1
00:00:05,749 --> 00:00:02,310
what's up everybody

2
00:00:08,390 --> 00:00:05,759
um this is my first night show can you

3
00:00:12,390 --> 00:00:10,390
it's kind of late

4
00:00:14,629 --> 00:00:12,400
and i'm

5
00:00:16,870 --> 00:00:14,639
cranky i'm tired

6
00:00:19,830 --> 00:00:16,880
the sun's down i don't know what the

7
00:00:25,589 --> 00:00:22,550
uh but we're doing it and it's going to

8
00:00:26,630 --> 00:00:25,599
be a great time and today i'm going to

9
00:00:27,509 --> 00:00:26,640
show

10
00:00:28,550 --> 00:00:27,519
um

11
00:00:30,790 --> 00:00:28,560
some

12
00:00:33,270 --> 00:00:30,800
fruits of my labor so to speak uh you

13
00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:33,280
know i i do my own research so you know

14
00:00:35,750 --> 00:00:34,160
i can

15
00:00:37,830 --> 00:00:35,760
you know

16
00:00:39,510 --> 00:00:37,840
know as much as i can about the topic

17
00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:39,520
that i'm speaking about which i think is

18
00:00:42,470 --> 00:00:40,960
very important

19
00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:42,480
um

20
00:00:46,389 --> 00:00:44,000
so

21
00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:46,399
in doing that i am going to share that

22
00:00:51,430 --> 00:00:47,920
stuff with you

23
00:00:54,470 --> 00:00:51,440
um i'm also going to bring on a great

24
00:00:56,470 --> 00:00:54,480
friend of show uh robert cofort uh who

25
00:00:58,950 --> 00:00:56,480
has done you know i say i've done

26
00:01:01,670 --> 00:00:58,960
research um i guess maybe i really

27
00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:01,680
should say that compared to him but

28
00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:02,719
um

29
00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:04,960
you know he has a lot to add to this

30
00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:07,760
conversation so i can't wait for him to

31
00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:09,920
come on and bring some context to some

32
00:01:15,429 --> 00:01:12,799
of the stuff that i will be showing

33
00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:15,439
um and yeah like the video shared get

34
00:01:19,990 --> 00:01:17,520
other people to watch it um

35
00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:20,000
you know if

36
00:01:25,030 --> 00:01:22,080
you know a lot of people

37
00:01:26,950 --> 00:01:25,040
want some sort of proof of things of how

38
00:01:29,670 --> 00:01:26,960
they feel or

39
00:01:30,710 --> 00:01:29,680
about extraterrestrials or this topic

40
00:01:32,950 --> 00:01:30,720
and

41
00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:32,960
um i put in this research so that i can

42
00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:34,640
share that with you

43
00:01:37,429 --> 00:01:35,759
and

44
00:01:39,420 --> 00:01:37,439
you know bring you to a level that you

45
00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:39,430
can feel comfortable with

46
00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:40,560
[Music]

47
00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:42,320
and i've done a lot of digging and i'm

48
00:01:47,910 --> 00:01:44,720
going to share that with you today

49
00:01:48,950 --> 00:01:47,920
so with that being said i will be

50
00:01:55,050 --> 00:01:48,960
back

51
00:03:02,070 --> 00:02:07,110
[Music]

52
00:03:05,830 --> 00:03:03,589
what's up everybody yeah thanks for

53
00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:05,840
joining me i know you know everybody's

54
00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:08,720
at a different show right now but i

55
00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:10,800
you got to do what you got to do um i

56
00:03:15,430 --> 00:03:13,200
plan on showing you actual uh proof and

57
00:03:16,949 --> 00:03:15,440
facts and uh putting in the hard work

58
00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:16,959
that i can share with you

59
00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:19,040
um and you know sometimes the other

60
00:03:25,110 --> 00:03:22,319
stuff is really commercials but

61
00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:25,120
you know here i am so and i am glad that

62
00:03:28,869 --> 00:03:27,360
you guys are here with me so that we can

63
00:03:33,589 --> 00:03:28,879
share this together

64
00:03:37,190 --> 00:03:33,599
um and i will say without further ado

65
00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:37,200
i will bring on the guest of the hour mr

66
00:03:40,229 --> 00:03:39,360
robert gilford how are you hey good how

67
00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:40,239
are you

68
00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:42,319
good good to see you i love the flannel

69
00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:43,920
all right thanks one of my favorite

70
00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:46,080
shirts

71
00:03:52,149 --> 00:03:48,380
you got to pet the belly right yeah

72
00:03:54,390 --> 00:03:52,159
[Laughter]

73
00:03:56,550 --> 00:03:54,400
awesome well i am

74
00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:56,560
thankful that you're here for sure

75
00:04:00,470 --> 00:03:57,519
i'm

76
00:04:02,949 --> 00:04:00,480
glad debra what's up yeah deborah what's

77
00:04:05,670 --> 00:04:02,959
up i'm glad you're watching too

78
00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:05,680
joe says always thank you

79
00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:08,400
uh lara hello benji

80
00:04:14,149 --> 00:04:09,760
darren

81
00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:14,159
um yes so

82
00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:16,400
uh robert i'm glad you put something in

83
00:04:19,990 --> 00:04:18,799
the chat witness citizens here

84
00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:20,000
um

85
00:04:25,030 --> 00:04:22,240
so we're we're gonna have a good time so

86
00:04:30,390 --> 00:04:28,310
i sent some of this stuff over to you uh

87
00:04:32,469 --> 00:04:30,400
some of the documents um you received

88
00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:32,479
those right it's okay

89
00:04:36,230 --> 00:04:33,840
awesome

90
00:04:38,150 --> 00:04:36,240
i guess so what i'll start with is i

91
00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:38,160
just really took clippings of it because

92
00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:40,080
some of them are rather long and full

93
00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:42,720
filled with a lot of garbage pretty much

94
00:04:45,909 --> 00:04:44,320
um

95
00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:45,919
and that would take like five hours to

96
00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:47,280
get through so

97
00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:49,840
um one at a time i'll just kind of bring

98
00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:52,000
up those documents we'll just i guess

99
00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:53,840
we'll just get right into it

100
00:04:59,030 --> 00:04:55,120
um

101
00:05:01,350 --> 00:04:59,040
this first one is a draft letter sent to

102
00:05:04,390 --> 00:05:01,360
the secretary of defense

103
00:05:08,070 --> 00:05:04,400
um and it's a part of a osi

104
00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:08,080
uh study on the phenomenon

105
00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:09,840
and it says

106
00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:12,320
scientific frontiers which have yet been

107
00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:14,160
little explored or charted in these

108
00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:16,400
areas occur phenomenon which may account

109
00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:18,880
for optical electronic

110
00:05:23,670 --> 00:05:21,440
aberrations as well as for things

111
00:05:27,029 --> 00:05:23,680
actually seen they listed three

112
00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:27,039
categories atmospheric ionization and

113
00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:30,320
extraterrestrial phenomenon

114
00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:33,120
they suggested also that products of

115
00:05:38,950 --> 00:05:34,800
nuclear fission

116
00:05:41,270 --> 00:05:38,960
might have some effect upon these

117
00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:41,280
that's an interesting statement

118
00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:42,970
isn't it

119
00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:48,790
i'll go on to the next one so this is

120
00:05:52,469 --> 00:05:50,240
all from like the same date and i'm

121
00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:52,479
gonna go in chronological order these

122
00:06:00,710 --> 00:05:57,199
are from the same draft um 819

123
00:06:04,309 --> 00:06:02,230
there's some strength

124
00:06:05,430 --> 00:06:04,319
that was a slow year

125
00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:05,440
yeah that was

126
00:06:10,390 --> 00:06:07,840
one of the biggest years for sure

127
00:06:12,070 --> 00:06:10,400
uh we had washington dc sightings in

128
00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:12,080
1952

129
00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:14,560
and that was just like one of

130
00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:15,840
many

131
00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,720
um

132
00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:18,240
so it says there's some strength to the

133
00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:20,560
hypothesis that many of the unexplained

134
00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:22,960
sightings of ufos may be electromagnetic

135
00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:25,360
or electrostatic in character

136
00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:27,520
uh factors supporting this hypothesis

137
00:06:31,510 --> 00:06:29,600
are absence of sound although apparently

138
00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:31,520
moving rapidly in the atmosphere

139
00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:33,520
phenomenon are apparently affected by

140
00:06:39,749 --> 00:06:36,240
shock waves or electromagnetic radiation

141
00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:43,430
and

142
00:06:48,469 --> 00:06:46,070
settings of ufos reported at los alamos

143
00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:48,479
and oak ridge at a time when the

144
00:06:52,790 --> 00:06:51,039
background radiation count has risen

145
00:06:55,350 --> 00:06:52,800
inexplicitly

146
00:06:57,350 --> 00:06:55,360
here we run out of even blue yonder

147
00:06:58,230 --> 00:06:57,360
explanations that might be tenable and

148
00:07:00,390 --> 00:06:58,240
yet

149
00:07:02,710 --> 00:07:00,400
we still are left with numbers of

150
00:07:05,909 --> 00:07:02,720
incredible reports from credible

151
00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:07,589
like i bet i mentioned can i break in

152
00:07:12,150 --> 00:07:10,000
for a second here yeah any time

153
00:07:14,070 --> 00:07:12,160
that oak ridge case two there's two

154
00:07:15,830 --> 00:07:14,080
cases and the one they're talking about

155
00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:15,840
with the background radiation they did

156
00:07:20,309 --> 00:07:18,000
they tested the planes they tested the

157
00:07:22,390 --> 00:07:20,319
they set a plane to test the air

158
00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:22,400
but the thing is uh uh there's one

159
00:07:25,029 --> 00:07:23,440
report

160
00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:25,039
that i mentioned to you when i sent you

161
00:07:29,430 --> 00:07:26,880
the return email

162
00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:29,440
where even the security chief at oak

163
00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:31,440
ridge they were all standing outside and

164
00:07:35,189 --> 00:07:32,880
they saw this thing first they thought

165
00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:35,199
it was a plane with a thick black

166
00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:36,400
contrail

167
00:07:40,469 --> 00:07:38,800
and then they thought it was sky writing

168
00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:40,479
and then they thought it was towing some

169
00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:42,960
kind of black ribbon behind it but they

170
00:07:46,629 --> 00:07:44,400
really couldn't see the plane they were

171
00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:46,639
just seeing the something and then this

172
00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:48,720
effect and then it dove

173
00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:50,800
and came really low and then started

174
00:07:53,830 --> 00:07:51,599
just

175
00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:53,840
moving really low along the ground the

176
00:07:57,029 --> 00:07:54,560
guy

177
00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:57,039
the uh hightower said it was about the

178
00:08:02,309 --> 00:07:59,520
speed that a man would walk

179
00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:02,319
and then it went over a fence and then

180
00:08:07,589 --> 00:08:05,360
shot off and to the distance

181
00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:07,599
and that's uh the oak ridge one correct

182
00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:10,080
the one at oak ridge yeah yeah

183
00:08:14,790 --> 00:08:12,400
in los alamos it's interesting because

184
00:08:15,909 --> 00:08:14,800
um there were hundreds of reports at los

185
00:08:16,950 --> 00:08:15,919
alamos

186
00:08:18,260 --> 00:08:16,960
um

187
00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:18,270
you know in prior years

188
00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:20,160
[Laughter]

189
00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:22,080
and you know probably didn't stop that

190
00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:24,080
year either oak ridge isn't there a

191
00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:26,800
nuclear plant there yeah yeah it's a

192
00:08:32,949 --> 00:08:29,680
it's a uh power station and

193
00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:32,959
research place uh

194
00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:34,000
there's

195
00:08:37,049 --> 00:08:36,159
atomic back then

196
00:08:38,949 --> 00:08:37,059
atomic rate

197
00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:38,959
[Laughter]

198
00:08:44,070 --> 00:08:42,479
uh los alamos to scott ramsey told me

199
00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:44,080
i haven't seen this in his documents

200
00:08:47,670 --> 00:08:46,160
myself but he mentioned to me but uh

201
00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:47,680
when we were talking about the aztec

202
00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:49,040
story one time

203
00:08:53,590 --> 00:08:51,279
that he was aware that

204
00:08:54,389 --> 00:08:53,600
they uh los alamos there were several

205
00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:54,399
discs

206
00:08:59,030 --> 00:08:56,880
that had landed right outside the gate

207
00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:59,040
of los alamos

208
00:09:01,910 --> 00:09:00,480
one or more

209
00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:01,920
right

210
00:09:08,150 --> 00:09:04,720
that that was very close

211
00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:09,509
yeah there was one where they were

212
00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:11,440
talking about on the border of it too i

213
00:09:18,310 --> 00:09:13,680
remember right

214
00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:24,630
yeah that yeah that one is the same one

215
00:09:28,470 --> 00:09:26,470
so this one is

216
00:09:32,310 --> 00:09:28,480
the next one

217
00:09:35,269 --> 00:09:33,750
so

218
00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:35,279
this is interesting for a couple of

219
00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:36,560
reasons

220
00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:38,640
and i won't read the whole thing but you

221
00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:39,440
can

222
00:09:45,269 --> 00:09:41,680
scroll down to

223
00:09:47,829 --> 00:09:45,279
or look down to recommendations b

224
00:09:49,829 --> 00:09:47,839
uh that the iec requests the watch

225
00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:49,839
committee which if you guys are familiar

226
00:09:54,230 --> 00:09:51,600
with the wilson davis documents the

227
00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:54,240
watch committee is listed in there as

228
00:09:59,110 --> 00:09:56,880
the uh secret keepers

229
00:10:01,590 --> 00:09:59,120
or zodiac it says

230
00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:01,600
um that the iac requests the watch

231
00:10:05,829 --> 00:10:03,680
committee to give close attention to

232
00:10:08,550 --> 00:10:05,839
indications which may reflect russian

233
00:10:10,949 --> 00:10:08,560
actions are being taken with respect to

234
00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:10,959
or on the basis of cognizance of flying

235
00:10:14,949 --> 00:10:13,200
saucers or with respect to the state of

236
00:10:17,110 --> 00:10:14,959
the united states public opinion in

237
00:10:18,870 --> 00:10:17,120
respect to flying sausage now i for one

238
00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:18,880
think this is interesting

239
00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:20,640
because it pretty much says that they

240
00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:22,500
don't know what the flank saucers are

241
00:10:27,509 --> 00:10:25,760
[Laughter]

242
00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:27,519
but you have some interesting thoughts

243
00:10:30,389 --> 00:10:28,959
on this one especially on the wash

244
00:10:32,790 --> 00:10:30,399
committee

245
00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:32,800
yeah it's i'm still digging it's because

246
00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:35,519
of general bowling you know he's not

247
00:10:39,590 --> 00:10:37,120
listed in

248
00:10:41,509 --> 00:10:39,600
history of ufs or as being involved in

249
00:10:44,150 --> 00:10:41,519
the ufo program but

250
00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:44,160
i know he's he is from all the things i

251
00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:45,440
found and he was the one that came up

252
00:10:48,710 --> 00:10:47,360
with the watch committee idea

253
00:10:50,949 --> 00:10:48,720
right

254
00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:50,959
which was basically like uh it turned

255
00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:53,600
into the national indication center

256
00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:57,200
um it was to be aware of imminent

257
00:11:01,590 --> 00:10:59,440
strikes and things of that nature you

258
00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:01,600
even had a fbi document that we went

259
00:11:05,430 --> 00:11:03,360
through um that listed the watch

260
00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:05,440
committee in a ufo case

261
00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:07,680
it was an example of how they handled a

262
00:11:11,910 --> 00:11:09,680
ufo case yeah

263
00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:11,920
interesting

264
00:11:19,590 --> 00:11:17,680
committee and the an iec you know one

265
00:11:22,389 --> 00:11:19,600
you remember you interviewed john and he

266
00:11:24,069 --> 00:11:22,399
was explaining how we have 18

267
00:11:26,310 --> 00:11:24,079
groups that make up the intelligence

268
00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:26,320
community now right

269
00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:28,240
i believe it was 12

270
00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:31,040
that were all on the iac so i don't know

271
00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:32,800
what they call it now if it's still the

272
00:11:38,150 --> 00:11:35,440
intelligence advisory board or committee

273
00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:38,160
or if they got a new name right or what

274
00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:40,720
probably but there's more intelligence

275
00:11:43,590 --> 00:11:42,000
people

276
00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:43,600
yeah it did turn into the national

277
00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:45,920
education center but then i found

278
00:11:51,269 --> 00:11:48,720
documents from the 70s and even early

279
00:11:53,509 --> 00:11:51,279
80s where watch committee uh was

280
00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:53,519
mentioned again with a chris byrd

281
00:11:57,350 --> 00:11:55,200
i believe and

282
00:12:00,710 --> 00:11:57,360
then there were watch officers which is

283
00:12:03,420 --> 00:12:00,720
funny because admiral wilson

284
00:12:04,949 --> 00:12:03,430
from those notes was a watch officer

285
00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:04,959
[Music]

286
00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:07,920
which is very interesting to me

287
00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:16,230
um

288
00:12:20,870 --> 00:12:18,880
now what is interesting is as we

289
00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:20,880
progress

290
00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:22,720
you kind of see

291
00:12:27,509 --> 00:12:25,760
how they really

292
00:12:30,069 --> 00:12:27,519
you know start treating this stuff to be

293
00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:30,079
honest with you

294
00:12:36,310 --> 00:12:32,800
uh but we're not done with 1952 that was

295
00:12:39,269 --> 00:12:36,320
just august of 1952.

296
00:12:41,509 --> 00:12:39,279
um then we have october

297
00:12:43,590 --> 00:12:41,519
of 1952.

298
00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:43,600
so like the end

299
00:12:47,590 --> 00:12:46,079
i would say after washington dc to me at

300
00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:47,600
least it was clear

301
00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:48,959
that they

302
00:12:52,629 --> 00:12:51,519
were really trying to take this

303
00:12:55,269 --> 00:12:52,639
seriously

304
00:12:56,629 --> 00:12:55,279
and figure out all sorts of uh

305
00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:56,639
you know

306
00:13:00,629 --> 00:12:58,560
different studies and everything

307
00:13:02,870 --> 00:13:00,639
but we know that

308
00:13:04,470 --> 00:13:02,880
this is also the time period where

309
00:13:06,629 --> 00:13:04,480
the cia was

310
00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:06,639
seizing control of the ufo program from

311
00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:08,000
the air force

312
00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:08,800
right

313
00:13:12,949 --> 00:13:11,279
the other thing about that that i still

314
00:13:15,190 --> 00:13:12,959
find interesting especially with my

315
00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:15,200
asset research is where is the army

316
00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:17,040
general step in all of this they're

317
00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:19,519
never mentioned the army ids never

318
00:13:22,949 --> 00:13:20,959
mentioned they're quiet they're in the

319
00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:22,959
background that tells me a lot

320
00:13:28,069 --> 00:13:24,880
everything i see about the army from

321
00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:28,079
these is uh like air defense command and

322
00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:35,990
uh but i never and actually we'll we'll

323
00:13:39,829 --> 00:13:37,440
touch on that one which is like that

324
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:39,839
fast tracks document

325
00:13:43,590 --> 00:13:40,800
um

326
00:13:45,189 --> 00:13:43,600
the iac here so your one

327
00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:45,199
intelligence community reviewed current

328
00:13:49,430 --> 00:13:46,560
situation

329
00:13:51,189 --> 00:13:49,440
uh ufos caused extensive speculation in

330
00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:51,199
the press subject of concern to

331
00:13:55,269 --> 00:13:53,120
government organizations

332
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:55,279
uh basically i just wanted to show it

333
00:13:58,710 --> 00:13:57,360
that since 1947

334
00:14:02,949 --> 00:13:58,720
20

335
00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:02,959
uh went as yet unexplained

336
00:14:10,389 --> 00:14:05,360
which i believe is different than what

337
00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:11,829
and

338
00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:13,600
now this is

339
00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:15,360
you know a continuation of the same

340
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:17,040
document

341
00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:20,480
possible implications national security

342
00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:23,120
with respect to vulnerability of the u.s

343
00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,279
to air attack which doesn't seem much

344
00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:27,519
different these days

345
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,360
however it cannot discharge its

346
00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:31,360
responsibilities so they're saying it

347
00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:35,910
with regard to estimating the

348
00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:38,720
capabilities of an enemy to create and

349
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:42,560
use such phenomenon against the us

350
00:14:45,910 --> 00:14:44,079
unless we first determine through

351
00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:45,920
scientific research whether or not such

352
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:48,560
phenomena can in fact be generated and

353
00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:51,040
controlled by humans

354
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:53,040
interesting yeah and again they're

355
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:54,079
talking about

356
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:55,600
like interestingly though they're

357
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:58,399
talking about phenomena a lot of times

358
00:15:01,509 --> 00:14:59,279
which

359
00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:01,519
in a way like what they're doing now and

360
00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:02,959
you know

361
00:15:06,949 --> 00:15:04,560
yourself from some of the documents we

362
00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:06,959
have it in 1947

363
00:15:11,750 --> 00:15:09,519
they had close-up sightings from

364
00:15:13,910 --> 00:15:11,760
military people of the disks so they

365
00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:13,920
knew they were physical

366
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:15,920
aircraft of some kind

367
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:18,320
but so that we hear all of the phenomena

368
00:15:22,230 --> 00:15:20,160
creating phenomena

369
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:22,240
it makes it sound like it's will of the

370
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:24,320
wisp and it's not

371
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:26,399
tangible but we know there's an aspect

372
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:28,639
to it at least there was up to a certain

373
00:15:32,710 --> 00:15:29,839
time period

374
00:15:34,470 --> 00:15:32,720
there was physical craft being seen

375
00:15:35,350 --> 00:15:34,480
yeah i'm just thinking it's important to

376
00:15:37,030 --> 00:15:35,360
note

377
00:15:39,910 --> 00:15:37,040
interesting well i mean you've always

378
00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:39,920
touched on two sometimes that um maybe

379
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:41,519
there were two different

380
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:44,320
uh things

381
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:46,720
like uh the

382
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:52,629
phenomenon and then the saucers maybe

383
00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:54,800
those if we hear that now that there may

384
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:57,120
be more than one thing going on

385
00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:58,800
um so that

386
00:16:01,350 --> 00:16:00,000
you know

387
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:01,360
probably could have very well been the

388
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:02,720
case then too

389
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:05,440
yeah sounds like it

390
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,360
um and these are

391
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:09,440
again what we're doing here is proving

392
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:12,160
the existence of the phenomenon

393
00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:14,639
uh that the intelligence community knew

394
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:15,680
of it

395
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,120
and

396
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,440
you know talked about it as such

397
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:21,440
you know contrary to what they told us

398
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:24,399
in popular belief

399
00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:26,959
but as we discussed yesterday people get

400
00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:28,639
evidence all day long but until their

401
00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:29,590
worldview shifts

402
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:32,079
[Laughter]

403
00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:34,079
so it is therefore recommended that

404
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,560
department of defense uh

405
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:38,240
undertake an expanded scientific

406
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:40,240
research program to reveal the nature of

407
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:41,839
various phenomenon which are causing

408
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:44,320
these sightings and means by which these

409
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:46,959
phenomena may be identified immediately

410
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:52,310
so does

411
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:55,279
supposedly it is also recommended that

412
00:16:59,110 --> 00:16:56,880
in such a project there be close

413
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:59,120
cooperation between those conducting the

414
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,399
research

415
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,399
and scientific and technical

416
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:04,640
intelligence research

417
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,439
um the iac agencies are prepared to do

418
00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:09,760
their part in such a project that should

419
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,160
sound super familiar because it's almost

420
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,199
word for word of the newest document

421
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:17,360
that you just got a hold of yourself

422
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:20,240
that they're working on right now

423
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:22,959
yeah that's true oh actually he brings

424
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:25,120
in a good point because i knew this but

425
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:26,640
i didn't bring this up

426
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,200
um watch committee chair deputy director

427
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:31,520
cia general charles cabal ran project

428
00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:34,960
garage pre to project blue book

429
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:36,640
so that's interesting

430
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,799
is that direct intelligence

431
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,200
right okay

432
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:43,600
if you want to get real deep

433
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:44,960
uh

434
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:47,520
he like resigned

435
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:50,160
uh to president kennedy kennedy

436
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:53,120
i think it was maybe even maybe the next

437
00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:54,160
year

438
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:56,480
that's when he went to dallas and got

439
00:18:02,870 --> 00:17:59,120
assassinated and the governor

440
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:02,880
was cabal's brother yeah

441
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:05,120
very strange isn't it

442
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:07,679
yeah very very strange

443
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:08,720
um

444
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,400
okay so this i just put on here to

445
00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:14,000
show basically who they were sending

446
00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:20,230
national security council

447
00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:23,190
dci ddi memo2 director

448
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,400
now it's important because we're going

449
00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:26,720
to hit this one next the psychological

450
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:32,789
chuck

451
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:36,000
the chair of the ic is usually the dci

452
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:37,120
you know director of central

453
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,240
intelligence

454
00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:40,960
yeah up to a certain point he was anyway

455
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:43,200
okay

456
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:49,110
it's

457
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,720
keep going

458
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,480
all right all right all right

459
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,840
all right we'll keep going we'll keep

460
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,640
going

461
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:56,559
yeah we got we got more of these to go

462
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:57,440
all right

463
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,480
so now we go to an official diary

464
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,880
um who i actually haven't figured out

465
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:05,360
whose diary it is maybe you know

466
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,360
um but it's october 20th 1952

467
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,960
so we were just in august in order to

468
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:12,799
jump into october

469
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:15,840
and we have met with dr whitman chairman

470
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,320
r and db general maxwell's office

471
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:20,559
general sanford

472
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:21,760
that's a pretty big deal if you're

473
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:24,559
meeting with sanford messers and rieber

474
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:28,720
of cia on the question of flying saucers

475
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:31,679
um pot this is interesting we'll

476
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,760
probably conclude that there's a wide

477
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:35,679
variety of natural phenomenon with

478
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:38,240
significant effect upon our capability

479
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,320
to detect enemies

480
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,480
and so

481
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,640
first we have probably and then we have

482
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,320
this area of phenomenon needs to be

483
00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:48,799
examined for its various sources

484
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:50,840
so that it can be properly

485
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:54,240
identified and their effects minimized

486
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,679
give to whoever is best able to do this

487
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:59,200
all present at the meeting concurred in

488
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:00,799
this procedure it was felt that there

489
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,280
was no need for a nsc directive at this

490
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:06,400
time which won't last very long

491
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,159
yeah and again look look how much

492
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,720
it's like what the heck happened

493
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,720
everybody's got the right to say that

494
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:16,960
because this is all stuff we're hearing

495
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:19,360
now as if it never happened before

496
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,720
right like oh yeah this is the first

497
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:23,039
time we've ever done this

498
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:28,710
yeah

499
00:20:33,029 --> 00:20:31,280
i mean some of this it's it's eerie

500
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:33,039
sometimes how

501
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,480
how identical the stuff is even

502
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,840
like you said the fact that they're

503
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,320
calling it phenomenon

504
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,480
you know or phenomenal it seems like

505
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,720
they're purposely drawing it away from

506
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,880
unconventional aircraft

507
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,640
and yeah what's interesting i just said

508
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,840
they do you don't ever hear about the

509
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,720
army

510
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,559
but that was one of the interesting

511
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,440
things i found in my 25 march research

512
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:56,400
is that

513
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:57,520
that

514
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,720
two-page memorandum uh direction from

515
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,880
the id from army id

516
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:05,280
on the morning that it occurred whatever

517
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:06,400
it was

518
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,240
and that was army id that's the only one

519
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,880
of the few times other than through blue

520
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,880
book documents

521
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,400
in copies and

522
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:18,240
the person who wrote the memorandum was

523
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:19,919
from the gsc

524
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,400
but as far as the overall program they

525
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,320
are never mentioned

526
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,799
and so i'm suspicious that that's

527
00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,400
the connection between

528
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:30,880
the discs going one way or the physical

529
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,919
things and then phenomenon going this

530
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,400
direction and we're being guided in this

531
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,840
direction

532
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,280
while the army

533
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,640
takes the other stuff the other

534
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,480
direction and we don't talk about it

535
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:45,360
that's just my hypothesis

536
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:53,430
i'll tell you that repeated over and

537
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,390
looked at this one and we'll go to

538
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:02,080
i believe

539
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,039
up

540
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,039
doing it again

541
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:06,400
so we have

542
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:10,159
i believe december

543
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,390
so here is

544
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:18,640
speak of the devil

545
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:28,789
yeah deborah i think that too

546
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,390
um yeah so what we have here

547
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,240
is i don't know if this is big enough i

548
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:36,240
feel like it isn't but

549
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,080
it never is

550
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:39,679
oh

551
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,870
yeah all right well this is a

552
00:22:52,110 --> 00:22:48,960
it's titled effective flag saucers on

553
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:52,120
air defense operations it's october 27

554
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:55,520
1952. we were just in october

555
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:58,960
except october 20th i believe it was

556
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:02,080
uh the phenomenon of operations

557
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,360
yeah

558
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,360
um commanding general air defense

559
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,440
command

560
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,960
colorado springs the phenomenon of

561
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,280
flying saucers been reported

562
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:14,640
many times both as visual

563
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,200
and radar sightings

564
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,880
uh your comments are desired to the

565
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:21,840
possible effect of the sightings of this

566
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:24,080
could have from an operational point of

567
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:31,029
wants to know about the operator's

568
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,799
reaction to the phenomenon if they

569
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,720
recognize it or reject the echo it's not

570
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,480
an aircraft

571
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,720
is it likely that some operators

572
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,960
observed a flying saucer and rejected

573
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,880
the radar response and not reported the

574
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,679
fact probably

575
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,320
and has air defense command any concern

576
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,240
in respect to the flying saucer

577
00:24:03,029 --> 00:23:56,789
and that's by james c jensen colonel

578
00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:04,549
that's what she said yeah of course

579
00:24:06,330 --> 00:24:06,180
she's gonna say that huh

580
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:06,340
[Music]

581
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:13,029
i like move on

582
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,510
the larger problem

583
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,240
[Laughter]

584
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,029
well i guess we're just that's the theme

585
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,279
of these documents um that's what she

586
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,039
said

587
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,880
all right we got naturally there is a

588
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:30,880
general concern about the radar phantoms

589
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,080
in the larger problem of flying saucers

590
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,760
because we're unable to explain a

591
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,520
sizeable percentage of the reports gee

592
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,679
that's not what they told us

593
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,120
right i know

594
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:44,000
why do you think they did that

595
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,750
um however the consensus seems to be a

596
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,600
great deal of activity and study is

597
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:55,679
going on in this field which won't do

598
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,559
much to clarify the situation that seems

599
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,200
like it uh the subject of an animal

600
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,760
anomalous radar propagation has been

601
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,000
under study for some time

602
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,240
uh so they're saying we need to study it

603
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,600
more and we'll get clarification

604
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,320
although it's been studied for some time

605
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:14,240
interestingly there are two aspects to

606
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,960
that

607
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,720
the the phenomenon they're talking about

608
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,799
the anomalous radar propagation is the

609
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:19,840
fact that

610
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,120
they found out when two beams crossed

611
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:25,919
right it could create phantoms but

612
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,480
that's also the description of those ray

613
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,960
forms that you you one of the documents

614
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,600
went over a while ago mentioned them and

615
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,320
i remember reading about a dr ross that

616
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:38,640
was under investigation by attic

617
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,600
atick

618
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,480
because he was working on rayform

619
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,760
technology

620
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,840
it the description sounds very much like

621
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,559
how you make a hologram with

622
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,919
beams two lasers meeting and then

623
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,600
creating a video

624
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,480
uh feed from where they meet same kind

625
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,600
of idea

626
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,720
only it's

627
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,880
two radar microwave beams and they're

628
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,200
making a disc shape

629
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,640
thing in the middle and they're calling

630
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,279
it a ray form i tried my hardest i dug

631
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,200
into that for a while thinking at the

632
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,640
time when i was like oh that could

633
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,240
explain it

634
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,880
not even close

635
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:16,480
another red herring

636
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,320
lot

637
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,440
but dr

638
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,559
disappear

639
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:25,600
what what he did interesting what else

640
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,470
to today's situation the subject will

641
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,480
move on will emphasize the radar

642
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,039
confusion aspect it is also my feeling

643
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,400
that whereas

644
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,400
formally this was a subject which

645
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,720
scientific men did not wish to become

646
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,640
involved in it is now becoming

647
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,440
respectable to study the subject and to

648
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,679
discuss it publicly

649
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,029
if this trend continues our astronomers

650
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,720
and other scientists do turn their

651
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,720
talents to the problem i'm sure answers

652
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:00,960
will be expedited okay

653
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:06,710
who came in and said forget it don't do

654
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:13,350
well i mean this is literally what is

655
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,640
said now

656
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,120
it's becoming respectable to study the

657
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,520
subject and discuss it publicly the

658
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,559
stigma is dissipating yeah

659
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:24,799
that what does that tell us that the

660
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,950
just hold on alfred

661
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:33,039
we'll get back to that stigma stuff

662
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,590
all right

663
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,120
so

664
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,840
recent reports reaching cia indicated

665
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:45,840
that further action was desirable and

666
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:47,919
another briefing by the cognizant a2

667
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,559
attic personnel was held on the 25th of

668
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:52,720
november at this time the reports of

669
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,919
incidents

670
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,679
convince us that there is something

671
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,840
going on and

672
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,320
that must have immediate attention the

673
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:02,799
details of some of these incidents have

674
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,279
been discussed by adsi with dsci

675
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,279
um sightings of unexplained objects at

676
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,120
great altitudes and traveling at high

677
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,159
speeds in the vicinity of major u.s

678
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,440
defense installations are of such nature

679
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:19,760
that they are not attributable to

680
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:23,120
natural phenomenon or known types of

681
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,159
aerial

682
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,960
vehicles enough said

683
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,559
boom

684
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,679
aerial vehicles

685
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,760
see so there's both

686
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,480
yeah and are they the same thing or are

687
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,240
they different you know are they

688
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,799
different beings are they you know are

689
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,720
they competing beings we've heard all

690
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,640
that kind of stuff and it's but it's so

691
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,799
viable today and we don't know i don't

692
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,960
know anyway

693
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,279
but what i mean why do you think that

694
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:52,799
there's

695
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,760
document clearly stating

696
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,520
that these are not attributable to

697
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,679
natural phenomenon or known types of

698
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:04,399
aerial vehicles my suspicion is because

699
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:06,960
of that last phrase they don't want to

700
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:09,279
talk about aerial vehicles because that

701
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:12,399
insinuates a physical thing

702
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,760
and it's a lot

703
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,880
easier

704
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,880
to talk about a will of the wisp than it

705
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,480
is a physical

706
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,640
thing because a physical thing requires

707
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,240
physical attention

708
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,200
right and beings

709
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:27,360
beings possible crashes possible

710
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,039
recoveries all of that is avoided

711
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,720
if you talk only about aerial phenomena

712
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,799
interesting

713
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,159
you know i never put it together that

714
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,679
way before

715
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,840
that's very good

716
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,600
um who is

717
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:45,520
do you know what's up with the cognizant

718
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:49,600
a2 or adsi okay a2 is air intelligence

719
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,799
okay a2 is air intelligent g2 is army

720
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,840
ground intelligence gotcha so

721
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,520
a tech you know at age air tech new

722
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,039
intelligence center

723
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:01,679
absi is assistant director of scientific

724
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,200
intelligence

725
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,120
and ddc as the deputy director of

726
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:07,679
central intelligence

727
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:16,789
it's a little further along

728
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,909
um

729
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,679
all right well that's

730
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:22,080
so we just finished 1952 there that's

731
00:30:24,780 --> 00:30:23,039
that's

732
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,790
why we can just stop right there

733
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,200
[Laughter]

734
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,480
so we can either do this one or

735
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,480
this one okay yeah so

736
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,200
first i'll actually do

737
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,760
so remember earlier we were looking at

738
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,520
the document where they were sending it

739
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:44,230
psychological research board i believe

740
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,840
it was right

741
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:47,440
which we had several

742
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,880
of the people didn't know about

743
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,640
so man

744
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,919
stinky

745
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:56,080
come on man

746
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:58,720
get bigger photo what's wrong with you

747
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,720
it's it's a it's a size thing come on

748
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:04,399
so this is the

749
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,440
uh psychological actually no this is uh

750
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:09,919
um from a letter to

751
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,200
uh dr stanton at cambridge

752
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,080
from cia

753
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,720
a presentation my made by uh major

754
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:20,720
forney

755
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,200
to the uh interesting see that says that

756
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:24,640
at the bottom

757
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,919
oh you you can read that holy cow

758
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,559
looks like alan hinek's handwriting

759
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:33,440
interesting

760
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:36,960
um so it says the possible explanations

761
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,000
and it lists

762
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:42,640
all the you know stupid ones that

763
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,320
we've been told to this day

764
00:31:50,789 --> 00:31:47,840
and at the bottom it says

765
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:50,799
extraterrestrial origin animal

766
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:56,310
[Laughter]

767
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,669
but

768
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,200
you know the and the point of this and

769
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,919
why that i bring this out is because

770
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,519
you know so many people are waiting on

771
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,519
baited breath for them to mention the

772
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,600
extraterrestrial word like they have

773
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:14,159
never thought it could be that before

774
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,519
and it's clear proof that they've been

775
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:19,200
at least

776
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,559
you know

777
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,519
proof

778
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:22,640
that they've been

779
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,760
thinking about this as extraterrestrial

780
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,240
since the 50s that's always been a

781
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:30,000
possibility that they just didn't want

782
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,360
us to know that

783
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:34,080
yeah we're too stupid to handle it

784
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:35,519
right

785
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,679
so we get stuck in these circles yeah

786
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:41,200
so

787
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,640
i couldn't really

788
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,320
figure out what to make of this other

789
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,399
than to assume that these are the

790
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,679
different like these are different

791
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,840
drawings of typical sightings like one

792
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:50,640
looks

793
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:57,590
here we got the triangles

794
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:03,990
these would be the ones that insinuate

795
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,440
unconventional aircraft of some type

796
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,640
flying an echelon formation

797
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,960
balloons don't do that birds do that but

798
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,360
they shift constantly although i did

799
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,880
have a sighting myself

800
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,320
i think someone in your chat room

801
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:19,840
mentioned something similar one time but

802
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,600
uh where i saw egg-shaped silver

803
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,519
things go over my car i was driving home

804
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,679
from work on the highway

805
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,480
and they were in a formation echelon but

806
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:31,919
they did it just like geese where the

807
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,159
one in the back moved to the front and

808
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:35,919
the one on the front moved to the back

809
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,600
kind of shifting every now and then

810
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,000
exactly as if they were mimicking birds

811
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,840
but they were birds they had to be

812
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,399
either silver balloons of some kind or

813
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,320
discs of some kind

814
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,519
yeah

815
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,519
very interesting

816
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,360
darren has a good point there he says

817
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,880
all these people in these documents

818
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,120
don't know what is being seen so already

819
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,840
there was a separation in secrecy

820
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,320
if craft had been recovered at roswell

821
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,000
and other crash sites

822
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,159
already two teams yeah and that's my

823
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,960
point of the army you never hear about

824
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,280
the army hardly ever

825
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,280
they're like the the elephant in the

826
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,119
room kind of thing

827
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,200
so that's my guess that the intelligence

828
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,320
divisions intelligence group

829
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,960
uh handled the crash recoveries and such

830
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,639
like that and they were keeping it under

831
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:24,240
wraps

832
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,950
that gets dicey

833
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,280
dicey yeah but it's there i mean you

834
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:37,280
look what do you see you see navy you

835
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,079
see air force yep everybody you don't

836
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:41,839
see army id

837
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,119
yep

838
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,359
and they came first there was no air

839
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,359
force there was only the navy in the

840
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,440
army at the beginning

841
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,480
yeah

842
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,320
good point

843
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:57,030
yeah we continue on

844
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:58,240
deborah had a good point there at the

845
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,520
bottom

846
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,599
uh about flying in echelon and in

847
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,040
formation stuff because they did find

848
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,040
that with birds and they that's one of

849
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,480
the reasons the thunderbirds and the

850
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,920
blue angels some of the things they do

851
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,160
they found out that wingtip the wingtip

852
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,599
if they're just barely under each

853
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:14,000
other's wing they conserve energy

854
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,520
and move along sylvia that is an

855
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,440
interesting point

856
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,280
i think that's what she meant maybe

857
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:20,560
maybe she was thinking something

858
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,839
different but that's what i got out of

859
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:22,880
it

860
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,670
um yeah and then here again they're just

861
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,079
looking into susceptible to control and

862
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,920
it you know to further darren's point

863
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,960
these people don't know what they're

864
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,960
looking at

865
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,720
um central

866
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,240
intelligence

867
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,079
yeah right

868
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,560
uh central effort at attic maintain a

869
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,400
minimal uh basis while there is

870
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,040
concurrently ordered a worldwide

871
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,520
reporting system and an interception

872
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:56,950
this is what this came this is the quote

873
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:00,160
from last month

874
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,240
uh this is january 53.

875
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:09,270
oh you're kidding that's a good one

876
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:16,150
yeah worldwide reporting system right we

877
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,510
all right we're getting around to it

878
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,839
this time

879
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:25,040
yeah

880
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:26,960
and an interception program that's

881
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,589
yeah because they had to stop the

882
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,400
interception program and uh

883
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,839
did you say that is this 52

884
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:39,839
this is

885
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,560
i think that's when you were

886
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,880
i think that was the year they stopped

887
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,920
they had

888
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,760
shoot down orders and interception

889
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,119
orders but at some point they were

890
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,400
ordered to stop

891
00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:53,200
for safety's sake

892
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:54,940
i think it was 53.

893
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,870
um

894
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,839
[Music]

895
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:04,079
there's been no systematic or extensive

896
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,440
use

897
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,760
of other standard methods of processing

898
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,520
data

899
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:14,950
broader questions attic has for example

900
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,800
gone through an accumulation unexplained

901
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,040
the plots show a high incidence of

902
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,000
reported cases near atomic installations

903
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,640
and strategic air command bases

904
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,720
but this might be expected because of

905
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:30,720
the greater number of alert observers in

906
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,200
such places they've said so i don't know

907
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:35,440
who it was but somebody has said the

908
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,440
exact same thing today as far as that

909
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:41,280
might be expected because of the greater

910
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,560
number of observers

911
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,400
which

912
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,079
actually a number of

913
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,079
accepted research techniques that should

914
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,920
be used in an effort to gain sound

915
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:53,839
understanding of these phenomena have

916
00:38:08,230 --> 00:37:59,589
yeah

917
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,510
they know something

918
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:14,790
and the army's silent right

919
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:18,560
they pretend to not be involved

920
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,870
exactly

921
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,710
because you know by then they'll figure

922
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,880
out how to keep us alive longer so

923
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:32,960
we'll

924
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:36,560
reading these same documents that have

925
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,280
just been published

926
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,400
uh that's hilarious

927
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,200
that is hilarious and then so after all

928
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,400
this this is why i'm doing it in

929
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,560
chronological order so everything that

930
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:50,160
we've just looked at

931
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:53,839
right then comes the educational program

932
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,560
to debunk

933
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,400
the panel's concept

934
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,400
broad educational program so when you

935
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,079
think of like mick west

936
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,760
or uh

937
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,320
you know other characters on twitter

938
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,560
like trolls or or

939
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,320
people that you know try to make you

940
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,560
feel bad about it or make fun of you

941
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,160
like this is to a t what they wrote up

942
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,760
in the 50s

943
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,160
and isn't it interesting that not only

944
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,240
what they're saying about the phenomenon

945
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,720
is the same in the reporting system in

946
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,960
the security installations and all that

947
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,520
but the debunking program is literally

948
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,760
seems the same as well

949
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,119
and the panel of course that's the

950
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,720
robertson panel they're talking about

951
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,560
correct yeah

952
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,400
which is a cia

953
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,440
job was it not yeah and robertson again

954
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:43,200
with david griggs

955
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,400
robertson

956
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,480
investigated the foo fighters in world

957
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,160
war ii

958
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,400
yeah interesting that he's the guy on

959
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,160
the charge of the robertson committee

960
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:54,000
that's pretty interesting

961
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,720
yeah it is

962
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,800
maybe because

963
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,720
he really knew how to calm down those

964
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:02,880
pilots after they saw it

965
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:05,760
and said no no it's nothing it's

966
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,880
it's a mini sun ball

967
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,400
we sleep

968
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,319
yeah

969
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,480
so and i'm just showing this because

970
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,319
hopefully you know a lot of people see

971
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,599
it

972
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:20,160
at some point and they realize maybe

973
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,520
some who didn't

974
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:22,400
um

975
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:29,310
this is a good one

976
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,280
[Music]

977
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,680
as in the case of conjuring tricks there

978
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:36,640
is much less stimulation if the secret

979
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,510
the debunking aim would result reduction

980
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:46,160
in public interest in flag saucers

981
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,680
which today evokes a strong

982
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,440
psychological reaction

983
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,440
it's worked really well

984
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,390
education could be accomplished by mass

985
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,680
media

986
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,240
such as television

987
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,839
motion pictures

988
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:04,880
popular articles

989
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,280
basis of such education would be actual

990
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,319
case histories which have been puzzling

991
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,790
it's interesting because the motion

992
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,640
pictures today or

993
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:20,560
tv or mass media

994
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:24,950
cases

995
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,589
as in the case of conjuring tricks yep

996
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,359
you read that such program should tend

997
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,560
to reduce reduce the current gullibility

998
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,119
of the public and consequently their

999
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:43,680
susceptibility to clever hostile

1000
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,230
the panel noted that the general absence

1001
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:52,000
of russian propaganda based on the

1002
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:53,119
subject was

1003
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,920
uh

1004
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,920
with so many obvious possibilities for

1005
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,400
exploitation might indicate a possible

1006
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:00,560
russian official policy

1007
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,440
um

1008
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,839
yeah they were curious because they were

1009
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,880
cia's fbi b their foreign broadcast

1010
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:09,599
information service and their board

1011
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:10,480
were

1012
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,319
reports

1013
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,640
uh over in the soviet union on on the

1014
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,560
subject so it made him

1015
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:20,880
wonder why that was that's the rush the

1016
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,750
um

1017
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,240
you know what what's so like offensive

1018
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,560
almost is

1019
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,079
that we just went through all these

1020
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,079
documents

1021
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,520
which

1022
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:42,000
sums up that they themselves officially

1023
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,520
these people who are looking at this

1024
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,200
aspect of it didn't know what they were

1025
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,319
looking at were confused right

1026
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,920
and

1027
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:52,319
in this instance they call

1028
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,180
the public gullible

1029
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,520
[Laughter]

1030
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,040
yeah

1031
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,839
you know like

1032
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:02,480
uh i guess the non-public whoever you

1033
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,480
are [\h__\h] you're gullible too

1034
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,950
so yeah related to outreach educational

1035
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,800
i feel like psychologists familiar with

1036
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,720
mass psychology

1037
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,160
should advise on the nature and the

1038
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,400
extent of the program

1039
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,160
this connection doctor and then they go

1040
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:24,839
through like different

1041
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:28,160
recommendations of people ah try the guy

1042
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,680
princeton

1043
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,640
he made that uh mars book

1044
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,720
from mars that's what the

1045
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,560
yeah tried to situate all their

1046
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,200
psychology around that like okay

1047
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,920
the antithesis is invasions from venus

1048
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,920
or mars so we're going to use that as

1049
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,960
the counter to our propaganda program

1050
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:49,119
just that why we're doing it because

1051
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,710
have you ever heard anything about this

1052
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,400
walt disney stuff

1053
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,400
oh yeah they did a documentary actually

1054
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,440
eventually

1055
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:00,960
yeah here they are they're listed right

1056
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,510
they used all kinds of people

1057
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:10,319
yeah including us huh read the gospel

1058
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:17,589
a potential source of enthusiastic

1059
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,390
thing as gospel

1060
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,319
it was believed business clubs high

1061
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,400
schools colleges and television stations

1062
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,640
would all be pleased to cooperate in

1063
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,880
showing of documentary type motion

1064
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,200
pictures if prepared in an interesting

1065
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,400
manner the use of true cases showing

1066
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:38,400
first the mystery and then the

1067
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,829
forceful

1068
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:53,760
yeah thank god for these people

1069
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,230
[Music]

1070
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:57,920
i don't know what i'd do without these

1071
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:59,359
people in charge

1072
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,319
yeah

1073
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,240
man lucky

1074
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:04,880
training and debunking outlined

1075
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:07,839
minimum of one and one and a half to two

1076
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,670
or so

1077
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,470
it's interesting have you ever looked

1078
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:21,040
into anything the federal civil defense

1079
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,119
administration did with this

1080
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,359
well i uh found out that the federal

1081
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,280
aviation administration was deeply

1082
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:29,760
involved all during this time that we

1083
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,319
didn't know about they were tasked to

1084
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,040
hunt for certain frequencies

1085
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,470
very interesting

1086
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:43,910
thanks uh pinzer pinezer this thing at

1087
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,760
the end of this time of working on this

1088
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,760
the dangers related to flying saucers

1089
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:51,920
should have been greatly reduced if not

1090
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:57,349
yeah

1091
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,990
oh man

1092
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,560
uh man would be photographing of pillow

1093
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,640
balloons at different distances under

1094
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,960
similar weather conditions at the site

1095
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,200
so that's their big idea

1096
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,000
uh the bottom is very interesting to me

1097
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,839
it says reports of such artifacts would

1098
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,839
be expected to arise mainly from western

1099
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:21,920
outposts and far closer proximity to the

1100
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,200
iron curtain than lubac texas

1101
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,480
you know the interesting thing about

1102
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,640
lubac texas is

1103
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,800
people tried to debunk that as a flock

1104
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:33,359
of birds but they actually

1105
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,160
were able to recreate the photograph

1106
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,000
with a flock of birds in the same

1107
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,440
formation and it looked nothing alike

1108
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:42,560
yeah

1109
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,800
photographs i think you you showed them

1110
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:49,040
yourself but if not you can you can find

1111
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:50,240
them and there's like i think there's

1112
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,280
four

1113
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:54,560
and two of them especially one the one

1114
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,520
you can really see that it's one object

1115
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,440
because of the way each

1116
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,280
point of light the camera operator

1117
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,760
accidentally moved a little bit

1118
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:06,640
and so every single point moves has the

1119
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,440
same

1120
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,880
tail on it

1121
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,640
in the exact same dimension same

1122
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,160
direction same so

1123
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,040
obviously they're not separate things

1124
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,560
each point of light is not a separate

1125
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,079
thing you can tell they're all one thing

1126
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,960
because they move together in one

1127
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,200
streak you know what i'm talking about

1128
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,200
if they were separate this streak would

1129
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,280
maybe go this way and this one would be

1130
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,440
shorter but they're all identical and

1131
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:31,680
they're all in the same positions all

1132
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,870
oh yeah

1133
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,800
we gotta get that national we gotta get

1134
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,960
that national photographic intelligence

1135
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:43,040
committee in here

1136
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,480
they were that's what became the

1137
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,640
geospatial intelligence

1138
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,559
ah right

1139
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:50,559
merged into uh

1140
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,040
to the uh any any nag whatever the code

1141
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,359
geospatial gia i forget what they're

1142
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,359
geospatial yeah

1143
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,040
well this one's interesting uh

1144
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,720
responsibility for maintaining current

1145
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,240
knowledge of reports of sightings

1146
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,400
unidentified flying objects is hereby

1147
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,559
assigned to your division by carbon copy

1148
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,119
of this memorandum chief of applied

1149
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,760
science division is requested to provide

1150
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,800
support from a weapons and hardware

1151
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:19,359
standpoint

1152
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,280
now that's interesting because you think

1153
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:23,520
of today in like asap

1154
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,559
or atick right and weapons is in the

1155
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:33,030
just like the atec

1156
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,710
agency

1157
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,400
it was always part of the weapons

1158
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,720
special weapons group

1159
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,880
it suggests that physics and electronics

1160
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,960
division take over custody of such of

1161
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,480
these files as

1162
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,920
necessary

1163
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,760
and

1164
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,440
so that material on the subject being

1165
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,680
forwarded from oci will be routed

1166
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,160
directly to physics and electronics

1167
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,559
division

1168
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,480
yeah

1169
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,559
so that's just a quick one but

1170
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,960
um it's very interesting that they sent

1171
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,400
it there and

1172
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,880
more or less seems like a lot of it

1173
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:09,839
still is in a department just like that

1174
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,390
why that's in desk drawer seven

1175
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,880
over in that area over there i mean i

1176
00:49:25,510 --> 00:49:23,520
don't know i'm gonna just go far

1177
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,520
i don't know anymore

1178
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,280
so this one is interesting this is where

1179
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:28,319
they uh

1180
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,450
now we're jumping ahead to 57. oh no no

1181
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,480
[Laughter]

1182
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,040
we're going wow so so yeah

1183
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:39,359
we read all that stuff and now

1184
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,800
fast forward

1185
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,440
uh five years four years

1186
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,000
um this is it

1187
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:48,880
this pretty much explicitly

1188
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,400
states that it's not soviet

1189
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,559
you know more more or less so that's

1190
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,359
that's what it says

1191
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,839
um object reportedly moving westward at

1192
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,400
altitude with 50 000 feet speed of 200

1193
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,960
knots jamming was reported by several

1194
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,119
radars in the vicinity

1195
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,680
and as westward as chicago in the

1196
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,839
subsequent briefing

1197
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,160
to iac the u.s air force reported that

1198
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,640
the original reports have been degraded

1199
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,480
somewhat by information that there was

1200
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,599
an

1201
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:21,520
11-minute break in the track weather

1202
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,510
in the past produced

1203
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:29,839
radar pips and electronic interference

1204
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,280
that they were studying profusely uh six

1205
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:34,880
years ago and thought they would figure

1206
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,520
out shortly after they started that but

1207
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:38,960
apparently not

1208
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,920
um the adc uh air defense command has

1209
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:43,839
not completed its investigation it

1210
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:50,069
ongoing investigation

1211
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:54,400
oh man we just literally showed in 1952

1212
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:57,040
they were doing that that last paragraph

1213
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,559
number three i hate it

1214
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,280
yeah no go ahead go ahead it is another

1215
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:04,160
reason why i stick with my on my guns

1216
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:08,079
with the 25 march 1948 thing because

1217
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,200
like i said

1218
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,280
the air staff declared an emergency an

1219
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,760
air emergency instantly and it's 24

1220
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,119
hours a day

1221
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,280
and it went until

1222
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:19,760
yeah lubbock

1223
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,880
april when vandenberg took over

1224
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,920
but

1225
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,280
now if we read that last i'll let you

1226
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,720
read it but you'll see what i'm saying

1227
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,920
there there's something in there that's

1228
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,160
very important to know we we have

1229
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,559
examined possible soviet motives for

1230
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,200
launching a one-way vehicle

1231
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,280
on an operation over the u.s

1232
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,800
and consider that there would be little

1233
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,119
motivation at this time

1234
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,800
except possibly

1235
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,359
psychological or retaliatory motive

1236
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,280
which we believe is marginal a one-way

1237
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,520
reconnaissance operations largely ruled

1238
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,119
out by the likelihood that the results

1239
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,599
would be of small value and at the risk

1240
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:54,720
of

1241
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,839
companies

1242
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:58,160
compromise would be very great so you're

1243
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,680
talking about vehicle

1244
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,000
you're launching a one-way vehicle not a

1245
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:05,040
one-way phenomenon the only way the

1246
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,559
soviets would have even in 1948 march

1247
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,520
25th 1948 that's what the excuse was

1248
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,200
general spots

1249
00:52:19,549 --> 00:52:15,760
said oh they're about ready to attack we

1250
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:19,559
need a 24-hour day alert right this is

1251
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,800
1957 and they're still saying that's not

1252
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,720
very likely

1253
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:26,720
well it was even less likely on march

1254
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,720
25th 1948 than it was on 23 september

1255
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,359
1957.

1256
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,599
yeah i i would say

1257
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,400
oh and even says supersonic here

1258
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,880
uh capability to have a submarine launch

1259
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:43,040
cruise type missile low supersonic

1260
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,240
performance

1261
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:46,319
but we have no specific evidence of the

1262
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:53,349
i am uh lam lam said uh

1263
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:54,160
the

1264
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,760
was it uh

1265
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,119
man and uh

1266
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,680
what's ml standard again the

1267
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,280
manned observer

1268
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:05,119
oh okay

1269
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,200
brigadier general cava was a junior he

1270
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:08,880
was a candidate i didn't really i didn't

1271
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,680
know that oh interesting see that's what

1272
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,960
they were doing when they were working

1273
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,800
on the corona satellites and all the

1274
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,880
early advanced reconnaissance system

1275
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,440
stuff at the very beginning 1954 they

1276
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,839
had the manned observable laboratory

1277
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:23,599
that they were working on they had

1278
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,640
a capsule essentially a space station

1279
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,559
and they would have two

1280
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,119
uh air force guys

1281
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,880
up there all the time

1282
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,280
and gee guess what they were watching

1283
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,359
for

1284
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:38,960
uh dust

1285
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,309
dust bubbles and particles that's an

1286
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,960
expensive mission

1287
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,480
we've got to find those dust bubbles and

1288
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:55,359
particles over there man 37b so we don't

1289
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,960
have to worry about people being manned

1290
00:54:03,430 --> 00:53:59,599
up and we have that thing up there

1291
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:03,440
now this is one that you provided and

1292
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:05,680
we're we're really take hopping in the

1293
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,599
time machine now to 1967.

1294
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,880
yeah this is really important though

1295
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,160
because

1296
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,240
colonel sleeper

1297
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,599
colonel red you see down the bottom

1298
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,319
raymond s sleeper he was alan heineck's

1299
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,720
boss at ftd

1300
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,599
and

1301
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,400
he was all about the soviets just like

1302
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:26,000
we saw in some of those early documents

1303
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,599
you just read everything's the soviets

1304
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,359
in russia

1305
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:32,160
sleeper was 100 there but now if you

1306
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,030
um

1307
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,680
why don't you take this one okay listens

1308
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,839
to general garland he recently took over

1309
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,040
as the

1310
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:47,040
in the department of information for the

1311
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:48,319
air force

1312
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,079
and on july 7th of all dates i think

1313
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,480
that dates significance remember

1314
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,960
the roswell thing yeah the seventh was

1315
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,799
the day before that

1316
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,640
memo came out in the newspapers on the

1317
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,160
eighth

1318
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,760
i've always thought that whatever might

1319
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:06,079
have occurred that was recoverable i

1320
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,960
think

1321
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,720
if they recovered something more than

1322
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:10,559
just debris the seventh would have been

1323
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,440
a

1324
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,559
too but

1325
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,720
it says dear general garland

1326
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,520
on seven july our seventh july 1967

1327
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,880
briefing to you and members of your

1328
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:22,480
staff on the subject of unidentified

1329
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,839
flying objects stressed i should say uh

1330
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:28,000
yeah they was canceled and that's like i

1331
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,599
said then they moved on to the corona

1332
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,280
satellites etc

1333
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:33,119
the

1334
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,319
polling company had just convinced just

1335
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,480
completed a poll of the united states

1336
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,520
and

1337
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,359
massive numbers of people were said oh

1338
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,599
no i believe and so that was a big deal

1339
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,119
so that's what he's talking about

1340
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,880
stress the fact that 50 million

1341
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,720
americans now believe in the existence

1342
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,440
of the phenomenon it was concluded that

1343
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:57,599
the air force respond to this anchored

1344
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,240
public attitude by announcing and

1345
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:02,559
maintaining a scientific investigation

1346
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,880
program for ufos

1347
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:07,440
keeping the public well informed at all

1348
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:08,640
times

1349
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,079
and ins

1350
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,720
initiating positive programs in such

1351
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,599
scientific areas as extraterrestrial

1352
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,280
communications

1353
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,040
wow now

1354
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,880
right away you go oh bob they're talking

1355
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:23,760
about satellites here that's extra now

1356
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,319
i'm sorry the next letter shows you

1357
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,920
that's not what they're talking about at

1358
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:30,079
all

1359
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:31,520
here's the next letter this is him

1360
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,200
replying back to his good buddy ray

1361
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,440
raymond sleeper okay

1362
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,280
i appreciate the copy of lieutenant

1363
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,359
marley's briefing and we sincerely

1364
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,960
appreciate your interest and response to

1365
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,839
our public affairs problem with ufo i

1366
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,599
think we are a long way from getting a

1367
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:49,119
handle on trump

1368
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,960
i haven't thought about the problem many

1369
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,119
times since you're briefing here i am

1370
00:56:56,829 --> 00:56:54,799
more convinced than ever

1371
00:56:59,789 --> 00:56:56,839
that a positive program in

1372
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:59,799
extraterrestrial life orcsy or

1373
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,640
communications studies should not be

1374
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,119
tied to the ufo problem

1375
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,520
i know you don't agree with this

1376
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,520
so sleeper doesn't agree with that

1377
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,200
i know you don't agree with this and

1378
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,400
neither does uh i lost my doolittle

1379
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,160
doolittle yeah and bill duluth he was

1380
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:17,760
their uh chief

1381
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,960
um

1382
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,920
uh

1383
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,440
lawyer you know

1384
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,240
he didn't do very he didn't do very much

1385
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,240
no does either however i am convinced

1386
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,839
that we would really open the floodgates

1387
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,520
on ufo problems if the public thought

1388
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,280
that the condon group and we know who

1389
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,720
those guys were

1390
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:35,280
was about to involve in extensive

1391
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,640
research on extraterrestrial activities

1392
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,720
i realized that condon must address this

1393
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,880
subject but this is different from

1394
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:45,599
conducting active research i think

1395
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:47,839
research in this area should be

1396
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,799
accomplished by an entirely unrelated

1397
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,319
activity

1398
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:54,880
research in what area extraterrestrial

1399
00:57:58,990 --> 00:57:57,839
life and communications

1400
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,000
yep

1401
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:01,440
extraterrestrial life it says it right

1402
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,160
there

1403
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,079
mike drop

1404
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:06,640
you got a microphone you can drop

1405
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,599
yeah

1406
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:11,839
i mean what more do you want these this

1407
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,760
is the guy who was in charge of

1408
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,160
debunking everything for heineken and

1409
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,240
keeping everybody on their nose to the

1410
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,559
grindstone no it's the soviet

1411
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:23,280
and here he is admitting in private

1412
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,640
that they know that there are

1413
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,559
extraterrestrial lives and

1414
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:28,400
extraterrestrial communication taking

1415
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,190
sorry i get worked up

1416
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,480
no i mean i completely understand

1417
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:38,319
i might get you worked up a little more

1418
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,750
so this is a

1419
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:49,510
views on emerging areas of science and

1420
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:52,319
technology 1975.

1421
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,860
so i found this recently

1422
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,480
[Music]

1423
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,319
intel scientific and intelligence

1424
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:06,079
committee

1425
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,040
uh the preface you can look at um but

1426
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,280
basically it just talks about all these

1427
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,599
smart people nobel prize winners several

1428
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,200
laboratory directors

1429
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,440
formal high former high-level government

1430
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,960
technical personnel department of

1431
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,559
defense and intelligence community

1432
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,520
contractors worked on this

1433
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,520
they're touching on the

1434
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,359
merging of

1435
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,240
in upcoming views

1436
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:33,119
these

1437
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,520
cia

1438
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,920
dia energy research

1439
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,480
treasury department department of state

1440
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,119
army navy air force

1441
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,630
well that's 11. did you count it 11.

1442
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:55,910
and then this went to

1443
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:58,079
so this report i'm just prefacing

1444
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,200
everything before i show you the good

1445
01:00:06,789 --> 01:00:01,119
stuff this went to

1446
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:09,109
right here you see that

1447
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,910
so what stands out in science and

1448
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,119
technology

1449
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:20,000
possibility number three of interaction

1450
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:29,190
life along with the other things that

1451
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:30,480
you see here

1452
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,510
genetic engineering

1453
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:39,119
understanding the brain and nature of

1454
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:41,359
thought these are all things that they

1455
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,190
just for fun though just for fun yeah

1456
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,960
finally this is a little blurry sorry

1457
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,960
but finally one day

1458
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,920
finally

1459
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:55,839
one can expect someday to achieve the

1460
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,160
long sought unified field theory that

1461
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,000
will unite under a common description of

1462
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:02,720
diverse physics of electromagnetism

1463
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,119
gravitation strong interactions and weak

1464
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,880
interactions when one does one might

1465
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,559
expect to understand how to control

1466
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,520
gravitational forces for propulsion

1467
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,000
and energy production

1468
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:16,559
that would be i just dropped another mic

1469
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,109
and then this one several of the group

1470
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,040
chose to discuss

1471
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:26,799
living matter from the viewpoint that

1472
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,520
amino acids are not unique to the

1473
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:31,599
terrestrial environment that life

1474
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:35,119
elsewhere is inevitable in widespread

1475
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,599
that intelligent life is common

1476
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:40,000
that there is considerable similarity

1477
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,079
between these life forms and that

1478
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,640
contact between them occurs

1479
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:46,400
some thought that the potential exists

1480
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:48,480
for some form of faster than light

1481
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,280
communications or travel although no one

1482
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,240
suggested that man is likely to achieve

1483
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,559
it in the near future possibly related

1484
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,319
to this a feeling was expressed that

1485
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:00,880
there may be some genuine anomalies in

1486
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,230
maybe

1487
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,280
how's that one there may be some genuine

1488
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,839
anomalies

1489
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:16,240
some of the group remember uh who that

1490
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:17,760
group is

1491
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:20,240
that life elsewhere is inevitable and

1492
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:21,839
widespread

1493
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,280
that intelligent life is common

1494
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:27,039
and that there is considerable

1495
01:02:34,230 --> 01:02:30,559
similarity between these life forms

1496
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,109
how do they know

1497
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,750
large-nosed gray aliens that landed at

1498
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:41,760
edwards air force base

1499
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,880
just [\h__\h]

1500
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:50,880
[Laughter]

1501
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:53,680
so yeah i thought that was great

1502
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,079
i thought that was a good one

1503
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,480
um and with that being said that's

1504
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:00,880
really all we got i know you sent me the

1505
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,359
control project and i read through that

1506
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,000
it didn't have anything about like um

1507
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,720
this kind of stuff although it was

1508
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:10,559
pretty clear that's

1509
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:14,720
colonel sleepers beginnings in 1948 okay

1510
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:18,640
and the concern was soviet union atomic

1511
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,839
weapons

1512
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:20,640
and

1513
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,000
when you think about

1514
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:24,559
their fears of them

1515
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,160
coming over in our you know

1516
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,400
reconnaissance programs

1517
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:32,559
uh like we saw

1518
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:34,720
it's just mind-boggling that you later

1519
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,520
read those letters that sleeper wrote

1520
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,880
and he's just coming right out and

1521
01:03:41,349 --> 01:03:40,319
saying it so

1522
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:41,359
this just

1523
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,520
blatantly shows you that no matter what

1524
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,319
they sounded like no matter how much

1525
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:48,559
they stressed it obviously they didn't

1526
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,280
really believe they were all the soviets

1527
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:53,760
they couldn't have

1528
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:56,880
yeah that's pretty clear

1529
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:59,920
i think we nailed that point home today

1530
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,799
yeah

1531
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,280
um the brookings institute it's

1532
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:05,039
interesting that that was mentioned

1533
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,160
actually

1534
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:11,750
have you ever heard anything about that

1535
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:13,280
yeah uh

1536
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,039
the brookings institute is responsible

1537
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:16,559
for a couple of things that we've never

1538
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,319
heard about including possible mind

1539
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:20,960
control stuff like the mk okay ultra

1540
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,430
from a couple of people i've talked to

1541
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,440
so i don't have documents relating to it

1542
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:29,599
but they were the ones that they were

1543
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,960
the ones that authored the report that

1544
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,480
said we can't tell people because

1545
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,000
they'll panic

1546
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:36,400
uh gotcha

1547
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:37,680
interesting

1548
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:38,640
um

1549
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:41,280
no i just looked at something from them

1550
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:42,559
recently

1551
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:45,680
that i have and i can't find it now it's

1552
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:47,680
interesting

1553
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:48,559
but

1554
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:52,950
yeah

1555
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,359
it's just what

1556
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:57,039
i don't know aren't you kind of at like

1557
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:59,359
a loss for words at a certain point

1558
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,559
mm-hmm

1559
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,000
and like what you're getting slapped a

1560
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:04,799
few times then you start getting numb

1561
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,160
like what he is supposed to do

1562
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:09,599
what are you supposed to do now well

1563
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,680
yeah one thing i can say you know

1564
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:13,839
in my part in all this

1565
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,720
and where i come from is uh

1566
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:17,760
i

1567
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:25,119
concentrate on the psychology or the

1568
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:28,319
consciousness or the spirit or the nuts

1569
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,079
and bolts or whatever

1570
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,319
none of that makes sense to separate it

1571
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:34,000
because as we can see

1572
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:36,079
and you talked about in your show your

1573
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,079
last show with your panel

1574
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:40,079
it's important to realize that this

1575
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:41,359
thing covers

1576
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:44,400
everything from physical to non-physical

1577
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,710
yeah

1578
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,720
historically there are places for all of

1579
01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,559
us like people like you and me

1580
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:54,559
doing historical research stuff i mean

1581
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,480
you do more than that mainly that's what

1582
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,920
i do even though i've had my own

1583
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,119
experiences

1584
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,280
i mainly just settled on doing

1585
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:03,440
historical research because that's what

1586
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,839
i feel like i do best that's my place so

1587
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,440
yeah and that's what i'm going to

1588
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:08,720
continue doing

1589
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:10,640
even though i've been

1590
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:11,680
you know

1591
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,280
you're wasting your time oh you guys are

1592
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:17,119
all in the past and

1593
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:20,559
i just don't feel that way and besides

1594
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:23,119
we always need historians to put

1595
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:24,880
perspective on stuff

1596
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:27,520
well and you can see that um the

1597
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:31,280
situations then were um

1598
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:33,920
pretty identical to what they are now so

1599
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:36,720
i would think that since we have so much

1600
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:39,760
uh of these documents accessible to us

1601
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:42,400
in a very similar situation it would

1602
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:46,000
seem silly not to investigate them

1603
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:47,119
you know

1604
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,400
because it's like

1605
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:51,359
it's the same thing basically except

1606
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:52,960
you know a different time

1607
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:55,119
it's like an artist that works in black

1608
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,720
and white all the time and

1609
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:58,319
doesn't realize their colors because

1610
01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:00,079
they're color blind or something and

1611
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:02,420
somebody had you could use blue

1612
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:04,640
[Laughter]

1613
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:12,319
pink

1614
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:16,710
uh

1615
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,520
80 years multiple ic agencies all the

1616
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:21,760
way to the white house

1617
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:23,599
been kept in the dark by an autonomous

1618
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:26,880
group in the air force and army

1619
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,400
yeah and i don't necessarily think it's

1620
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:30,640
something like mg12 like some people

1621
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:32,319
believe because you the more you look

1622
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,520
into this the more you see how many

1623
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:35,119
people are involved

1624
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,799
it isn't just one

1625
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:39,119
control group there's a bunch of people

1626
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:40,880
all along they're all agreeing to not

1627
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:44,000
tell us they're all in this game with us

1628
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,200
yeah

1629
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,359
that's true because in the documents we

1630
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,079
looked at although they um apparently

1631
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:51,839
didn't understand what they were looking

1632
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,640
at um also agreed that they didn't want

1633
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,200
to tell us

1634
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,200
yeah so

1635
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,760
that's very interesting so

1636
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:05,190
go

1637
01:08:15,190 --> 01:08:12,230
um

1638
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,200
no and this is uh actually uh i just

1639
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,880
want to leave on this note because it's

1640
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:17,839
a great

1641
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,839
you know keep us with a good attitude

1642
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:25,679
and everything i believe so and it's a

1643
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:28,319
clip from one of my earlier shows

1644
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:29,440
uh

1645
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,239
i'm a big fan of saying what if

1646
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:36,799
what if your thoughts could heal someone

1647
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,120
what if your interior monologue changed

1648
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,120
the course of history what if your

1649
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,440
attitude was as infectious as we liked

1650
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:45,279
it is on hallmark cards

1651
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:46,560
um

1652
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:47,839
it's worth it

1653
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:50,000
it is it's worth the chance it's worth

1654
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:52,319
the possible hurt

1655
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:54,159
of being let down

1656
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,920
to realize just what

1657
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:57,920
see each of us we're all waiting for

1658
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,920
anyone to come lead us out of the cave

1659
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,440
just one person

1660
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,359
and we don't realize that that

1661
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:05,040
when we do that

1662
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:07,279
it has an exponential effect

1663
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,400
you know we're all waiting for our

1664
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,000
payment we're like when i get paid first

1665
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:11,520
then i'll be heartfelt and kind and

1666
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:18,829
i thought that was

1667
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,149
so on that note

1668
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,400
i had a great time with you robert well

1669
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:29,759
thanks for having me on it was great i

1670
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:30,960
love doing this

1671
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:32,839
yeah we'll do it again

1672
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,440
um maybe next time

1673
01:09:39,330 --> 01:09:38,080
you control the content

1674
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,340
sure i got tons of it

1675
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,600
[Laughter]

1676
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,679
i know

1677
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,120
my hard drives

1678
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:47,120
i pretty much tapped out everything i

1679
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:50,080
had as far as like overall report

1680
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:51,839
documents versus like individual

1681
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:54,480
sightings and stuff so

1682
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:57,280
um we covered some important stuff

1683
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,640
yeah so i hope it gets around

1684
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,760
yeah me too hope people can see you know

1685
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:05,360
if they had any questions or if they

1686
01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:06,480
doubted

1687
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:08,320
that last little bit of doubt hopefully

1688
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,560
that was removed a little bit and they

1689
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:12,400
they don't they're not afraid to realize

1690
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,440
yeah something is going on

1691
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:17,760
uh i i would hope so

1692
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:21,520
so on that i will bid you adieu

1693
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:24,480
and uh i'm gonna go out by playing you

1694
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,840
part two

1695
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,400
of my film my little short film that i

1696
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:30,960
made a while ago um

1697
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,030
yeah thank you everybody

1698
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:37,120
deborah you're awesome so glad you can

1699
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,640
join us live

1700
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,400
gabriel

1701
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,600
awesome

1702
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:43,520
lord bass

1703
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:44,480
i am

1704
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:49,280
laura

1705
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,470
uh surfsac yeah bolshon is a plus plus

1706
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:54,719
[Laughter]

1707
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,080
um

1708
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,400
what else we got roger what's up thank

1709
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:00,960
you so much for coming darren

1710
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,000
everybody

1711
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,840
uh if i miss somebody i'm sorry lord

1712
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:05,040
bass

1713
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:08,560
um yeah so we will see you

1714
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:09,840
soon y'all

1715
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:29,050
no they i don't know what these are

1716
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:33,590
[Music]

1717
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,800
on september 20th 2020 the revelation

1718
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,640
began

1719
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,199
my wife and i saw our first ultras

1720
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,679
aka orbs

1721
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,280
my wife called me on her way home from

1722
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:46,960
work as they hovered with her towards

1723
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,040
our house

1724
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:50,960
she told me to get outside to see what

1725
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,390
i met her in the backyard and

1726
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,189
one of them seemed grumpy but

1727
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,320
i felt love for whatever reason

1728
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:06,800
i got a message in my mind that

1729
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,470
and yeah of course i took video but cell

1730
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:14,560
phone footage

1731
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:18,560
really doesn't capture the moment's

1732
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:24,630
of course we all found out later cameras

1733
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,600
had a specific design feature

1734
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,520
based on gps

1735
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,520
the government would purposely downgrade

1736
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,000
the camera's phone's capabilities

1737
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,199
when an ultra came by

1738
01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,679
it's too bad really i mean

1739
01:12:42,750 --> 01:12:41,679
they were trying to save us from what

1740
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:42,760
was to come

1741
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,790
of course they say

1742
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,040
we can give you work

1743
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:54,960
but it's not known it's not a job or

1744
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:00,149
it's another invasion of

1745
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,090
instead of the earth

1746
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,120
[Music]

1747
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:09,199
so when my wife and i said we'd be back

1748
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:28,200
eventually is now

1749
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:42,630
[Music]

1750
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:53,110
support my dreams one at a time

1751
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:58,149
while i look for you

1752
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:01,350
conflict is not supposed to

1753
01:14:12,460 --> 01:14:09,430
from the sky or the sea

1754
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:12,470
it is what it's going to be

1755
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,149
every little bit

1756
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:20,560
the fourth writing on it

1757
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,790
she made a super secret lisp of the ones

1758
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:30,800
with the most with

1759
01:15:13,830 --> 01:14:50,020
[Music]

1760
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:18,950
and if i remember correctly